Euronews: “What is the issue behind these multiple conflicts?”
Tariceanu: “That is a question you should put to Traian Basescu. He had on this occasion two years to complete the political profile that characterized him and he’s already left a glimpse – but in a very small measure, a person of contentious nature. I believe what with a political past like his – former member of the Communist Party, before 1990, social democrat member after 1990, then a member of the popular European group that he led, he has gone through all the phases, but in the end he did nothing but to become a popularity-seeking politician, a popularist, an anti-European, a type we see today in the countries of the former Soviet Union.”
Euronews: “Anti-European? The accusation is serious nonetheless.”
Tariceanu: “Unfortunately, this is the profile you will not see anywhere else in Europe. The European Union is based on powerful institutions and not on people that come to hold popularity-seeking speeches and populists…”
Euronews: “Excuse me for interrupting you… But in the President’s speech he says, “I do this that I do for that the institutions of the Romania be powerful, and for justice to be independent.”"
Tariceanu: “But this is not the role of the president. This is on the contrary the populist and popularity-seeking speech of which I spoke. Romania joined to the European Union because we succeeded in building institutions that were able to respect commitments and attained the standard ones and the accession criteria of the European Union. The fight against corruption is not done alone, whether it is the President or anyone else. The fight against corruption is done by the justice system.”
Euronews: “Yes. By the way, why did you separate from head of the Ministry of Justice, Monica Macovei, one who is associated by Brussels with the big majority of the reforms in the fight against corruption?”
Tariceanu: “First of all madam Monica Macovei belongs to the Democratic Party, that since the ministerial reshuffle is no longer left in the government. This was not a measure that expressly singled her out. On the other hand… we know that the success of the fight against corruption is not only linked to Monica Macovei. It is necessary to take account of the fact that Monica Macovei belonged to a government that she supported so that she could promote certain bills. And these bills had the support of the government completely.”
Euronews: “What will be the effects of the crisis for Romania concerning the commitments taken after accession?”
Tariceanu: “The government was absolutely not affected by this crisis. We were able to respect the commitments. The most telling example is adoption to Parliament of the law for the organization and functions of the National Agency for Integrity. It was the one of 4 established targets at the end of the last year with the European Commission with regards to the chapter on Justice and Internal Matters. It had no further consequences on the economic plan. The foreign investors continue to have confidence in Romania, this is the proof that a similar political conflict cannot create a more unstable picture of Romania than it would have done 10 years ago, if we were going through a similar period.”
Euronews: “It’s the 20th May – the day following the referendum. Imagine that Romanian people invalidate the suspension of the President and he resumes his position. What will you do? Is working together with the President Traian Basescu possible?”
Tariceanu: “The government and the Prime Minister have very precise relations with the President and I intend to respect these relations as I did at start of my mandate.”
Euronews: “What appears to you as the most important way to get Romania out of the current political dead end?”
Tariceanu: “I do not see a very optimistic future if the President comes back to power. Why? Because he has a weak capacity to learn from the lessons of the past. He’ll probably keep the same behavior. I believe that in this position, after May 20, a lot of institutions… A lot of political leaders will have to neglect, indeed be unaware of the President.”
Euronews: “There exists, nevertheless, a category of people that you have not mentioned and who are aware of him: the electorate. The polls put Traian Basescu as favorite.”
Tariceanu: “We will see the day after May 19.”
Şi acum Băsescu vine şi el şi zice…
EuroNews: Mr President, the current situation is a bit surprising. Four months after joining the European Union, the political agenda is dominated by the referendum concerning your suspension. What’s going on?
TB: There’s a whole sequence of factors that’s led to an eruption within the political class. Some things didn’t suit quite a few politicians: the condemnation of crimes committed under communism; one and a half million dossiers belonging to the old Securitate being transferred to the National Council studying the archives; and then the consolidation of the independence of the judiciary, which – and this is unprecedented – which has begun to investigate the activities of certain very important political figures. I am linked to these three initiatives.
EuroNews: Your supporters present your suspension as a crime of lèse-majesté. Aren’t you worried that there’s a danger here, that of undermining the foundations of democracy, represented by the parliament?
TB: Those who’ve hurt democracy are the 322 members of parliament themselves. If you look closely, the 322 come from five political parties. Just one thing unites them: fear of justice – the need to bring justice back under control.
EuroNews: Should we take it from that that the only party which doesn’t fear justice is the one that supports you, the Democratic Party?
TB: No, even the Democratic Party is affected by the prosecutors’ investigations. But… the Democratic Party knew how to stay true to its commitments to fight corruption.
EuroNews: Your confrontation with Prime Minister Calin Popescu-Tariceanu looks like all or nothing – they’ll be a winner and a loser. What’s at issue?
TB: What’s at issue is the conflict between two different visions of Romania. The Prime Minister is someone who has mad representations directly to the judiciary, to the justice minister, to the Attorney General, to me personally, to parliament. Whereas I’m someone who says: “The judiciary should be shielded from all political intervention.”
EuroNews: The Romanian press has nevertheless observed that you too are supported by certain business circles.
TB: No. That’s a fabrication put about by media groups that belong to the oligarchy. I’ve not promised laws in favour of anyone. I never intervened so that someone or other wins a contract, I’ve never protected anyone.
EuroNews: At the end of the day if the justice system is effective it will have the last word.
TB: That’s right. So long as no-one interferes with it, so long as it’s not subjected to political control, as was the case prior to 2004.
EuroNews: The crisis has been incubating for some time. Why did it only come to a head after entry into the European Union?
TB: I don’t know, maybe it was a tactic by the five parties who joined together to plot the removal of the justice minister Monica Macovei and the suspension of the President. They understood that after the objective “1st of January 2007″ had been reached, nothing could be made to wait any more. They chose to go for a political strike.
EuroNews: It’s the parliament that suspended you, but still, it’s called on the citizens to decide via the ballot box…
TB: Yes, the ballot box.
EuroNews: … so why are you frightened? The opinion polls say you are still popular.
TB: I’m not frightened. It’s they who should be frightened. For me, going to the electorate is something I’ve sought to do since 2005, when I called for early elections.
EuroNews: It’s the day after the referendum, the people have given you the keys back to the Presidential palace. How now will you carry out your functions as President of Romania?
TB: In the same way. I won’t renege on my commitments and I won’t betray the Romanian people in return for a quiet life.
EuroNews: Will it be possible to work alongside Prime Minister Tariceaunu after May the 20th?
TB: The problem isn’t Prime Minister Tariceaunu, the problem is the 322 members of parliament. They represent a considerable political force which controls parliament and which must accept not to drag the nation down but to be at its head leading it towards its goals.
EuroNews: Politics is about making what’s necessary possible.
TB: That’s what I’m doing.
EuroNews: What’s necessary for Romania to get out of the current political stalemate?
TB: What happens after May the 20th is extremely important. It depends on whether we the politicians decide we want a Romania that’s no longer tarnished by the defects of the transitional period. If they are perpetuated, Romania will continue to go forward nonetheless, but it will go forward in an injust manner. It wil go forward in the wrong way.
EuroNews: You return to the job but the constitution stays the same. Will it be possible for you to change anything in Romanian politics?
TB: Yes madam, I am convinced. On May the 19th the Romanian people will decide who is right: either the 322 members of Parliament or the President of Romania. We can no longer call ourselves a democracy if the vote of the Romanian electorate is not taken into account.
Sursa: Euronews.net